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Subject: Re: Frankenstein (was Dystopia cont.)
Date: 10 Sep 1995 01:58:49 -0400
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Omar Haneef '96 ([email protected]) wrote:
> mpa ([email protected]) wrote:
> > around a lot longer than this particular recipe and will very likely
> > provide a number of new dishes before we smash the rock or hop off it.
> And you don't think it important that we be able to control or discuss the
> direction of this change?
Where do you get the idea that I believe that way. Read what is written
and not what you'd like to refute.
> > If you're not alive 24 hours a day then you are not alive. If you don't
> > do what you enjoy for a living you're wasting precious time. Your workday
> > should push that 24 hour limit not shy away from it.
> This is an absurd argument. Surely one grows tired of any given activity
> after a while.
Once again: Who said anything about "one activity"? It is your argument
that is absurd, Omar. Oy is based on things that I didn't say or even
hint at.
> > > There is no such thing as the activist Dystopiac. I use Dystopia as a tool
> > > to incite dialogue. We have to talk about what is going on; what is
> > > happening to us.
> > What a marvelously contradictory sentence. No "activist Dystopiac"'s but
> > you use the term to "incite". You want to move people to action. You want
> > to scare or anger them into engaging you. Umm...activist.
> But I'm not asking for action because I'm not sure what we should do. I'm
> asking for dialogue so we can figure it out.
and....? Act upon this discussion. Right? And you have expressed parts of
your agenda a number of times.
> > > > Dystopianism is wedded to millennial hysteria. It will provide us with
> > > > amusement to observe some rather strange bedfellows.
> > "'Cause tonight I'm gonna Party like its 1999." -TAFKAP
> > > Dystopianism, whatever that is, SHOULDN'T be wedded to anything. It should
> > > be a reminder of what COULD happen, and I am grateful to you for reminding
> > > me that what COULD happen - what I treated formerly as horrible - may not be
> > > so bad. But notice how important the dialogue was.
> > So, really, we're back to dystopia meaning nothing or whatever "me" don't
> > like. A term only useful to politicos and organiser's.
> You missed the point. To invoke dystopia is to discuss the future
> and its alternatives. Dystopia, even in discussing what it is or is not is a
> vehicle for discussion. For instance, on this newsgroup Sourceror talked
> about my dystopia as his good thing (without defending it too much) and
> presented a case for it.
Still, dystopia still boils down to "whatever you don't like".
> > In what way was the dialogue important? Cause you maybe ran around in
> > circles long enough to get your typing speed back up to par?
> That is very clever of you mpa. To qoute someone from way back when: you
> have all the brute lyricism of a meek sunday school teacher.
And you have the reading comprehension of the 99th monkey.
Meek? Why I oughta....
.mpa
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