> You sound increasingly like a Marxist. This is exactly the
> traditional marxist line (even though I don't know why, I suspect this will
> make you angry).
It confuses me. I am not familiar with Marx's prescriptions for the
lumpenproletariat. I didn't know there were any.
> Can someone who is not one of the lumpen, is not a
> politician and is not religious make any difference to the miserable state
> of the lumpen in your opinion? (I suppose miserable state is provacative but
> you have already agreed, in a previous post, that they - you? - are unhappy.)
"Make any difference"? None of this is clear to me. Again the issue for
the social power and activists isn't "empowering" the lumpen, the issue is
how to "hobble" them (comfortably) so they don't act out.
> AFAIK? As Far As Is Known?
...I Know
> I didn't want to take sides but since you (kindly) responded to my insertion
> into your debate I ended up picking up the convo with you.
> Technical Boy's stance may be pretentious but it is historically grounded.
> Up until the Frankfurt School came on the scene, Marxists believed that what
> the people wanted was what was best.
This is more alien visitor stuff. What the people want is what they
want. Marxists, deluded by the belief that they could deliver social
systems like pizzas, may have concluded once upon a time that the pizza
people wanted was the best pizza.
> The Frankfurt School thought this was
> problematic since it was exactly the proletariat (lumpen?) who empowered
> Hitler in Nazi Germany.
Then the Frankfurt School hasn't studied the era sufficiently.
> The masses empowered the Nazi party.
I'll give you the opportunity to withdraw that ludicrous assertion.
(__) Sourcerer
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