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.mpa ([email protected]) wrote:
> Omar Haneef '96 ([email protected]) wrote:
> > If punk is an anti-estabilishment attitude, and cyber- is a prefix that
> > denotes the embracing of technology then cyberpunk should be an
> > anti-estabilishment embracing of technology. However, I am not sure where
> > the technology fits in with preventing punks from "rotting in their juices."
> > i.e. if cyberpunk is like a technopunk with the fat trimmed then what part
> > of the cyberpunk attitude helps the cyberpunk be more than "just" a punk?
> There are definitely "anti-establishment" elements to traditional punks
> but don't be fooled by what the "establishment" has told you about them.
> Punks build community the same way anyone else does and most of the punk
> groups I've had the pleasure to hang out with (usually centered around a
> local band and not some national or international toy punk band) have had
> very useful and productive relationship with the community at large.
> The former leader of pgh's premiere punk outfit (Thin White Line) while I was
> in school also managed the restaurant where we all ate lunch and where a
> certain girl named Debi (Jer should know who I mean) was working as a
> waitress and learning guitar chords. Last I heard she was still playing
> and so was Thin White Line. Carsickness (another pgh band) existed for 15
> years under different line-ups and finally ended up a Celtic Rock band
> without changing the basic line-up one bit. They moved where they needed
> to and did pretty well in the process. And there is no that these guys
> were punks. Punk is not Sid and Nancy although Sid and Nancy were punks.
alright. And here is Nemickol on punks:
Do you know any punks Omar? I mean *punks*.
Not Greed Day or Jerk-Offspring garbage gen-X
fools, but punks.
They hate things. They want to bring it all down.
They want to build things up the way they see fit.
They have great ideas, wonderful plans, strong ideology.
They don't give a shit about anything.
Many of them drink too damn much.
A lot of them dont think beyond buying the next vinyl.
My problem is not that I don't understand what you or Nemickol is saying -
its only English (joke! Don't get carried away) - but that you guys
contradict each other! My response to HIM is intercepted by YOU. Can't you
see how I'm closer to your and his stance then you are to each other? You
have different definitions of cyberpunk. Its not about anything. Maybe its
about our interpretations of what the books are about...
> Throw away all of these media driven preconceptions you have about these
> issues and get down where its happening. What angers people is that you
> come at this issue, one that is by its very nature so personal and
> individual, standing on one foot and demanding (yes, I believe that your
> requests have had the character of demands) to be told te secrets of the
> universe. A number of us have tried to explain it to you and someday
> you'll understand that the way its been done has really been an attempt
> not to ruin your own discovery of it for you. You've been treated gently
> and with compassion (and with not a few insults, par for the course) and
> have been given all of the clues. I don't think anyone would have wasted
> their time if they didn't care (or if they did care for that matter).
Check out my new post on insults. And I really don't see this compassion
that you guys keep talking about. Everybody outside seems to think its
viciousness...but it has been a little softer of late...
> My final suggestion here is to stop trying so hard, go out and find
> yourself a girl who will always get you into trouble and who will always
> pay your tickets and bail you out of jail (if needs be find a couple of
> them), push the envelope of what is possible and survivable but never go
> beyond what you can do at the moment (I know there's an inherent
> discrepancy there.),and just do it.
She does. Pay for me, I mean. I honestly hate getting in trouble with the
law. I've had my share of brush-ins and, you seem they deport me if I get in
trouble. I guess foreigners can't be cyberpunks, eh? Not if they want to
come here.
> Noone *CAN* explain cp to you.
But they do all the time...
> You can only do that for your self and you'll know it when you get there.
I may have been there and back. I can choose to call my behaviour cyberpunk
any time I want to.
-Omar
> .mpa
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