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From: [email protected] (Omar Haneef '96)
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Subject: Re: Frankenstein (was Dystopia cont.)
Date: 11 Sep 1995 13:43:30 GMT
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Eugene Mosburg ([email protected]) wrote:
> From Omar Haneef '96 ...
> : mpa ([email protected]) wrote:
> : > Omar Haneef '96 ([email protected]) wrote:
> : > > mpa ([email protected]) wrote:
> : > Still, dystopia still boils down to "whatever you don't like".
> : Why do you insist in ignoring the point I'm making? A word - whatever its
> : definition is - is transformed by the contextg. Dystopia is not "whatever
> : you don't like". Its more like "whatever I think we all don't want" and then
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> : when you argue for its definition you move towards an understanding of
> : issues.
> Whoah, hold the phone. I want to get you right on this, avoid the
> "you said that I said when you said that she said that he misquoted my
> definition ... " trick on which you must now hold several federal
> patents ....
Sorry to pull the "trick" of calling you on your misqoutations. Pretty
sneaky of me to defend myself against words put in my mouth. Pretty darn
tricky to recontextualize my assertions.
> Is the above definition a statement on your part that "I" (== "you")
> can speak with any authority for "we all"?
> Do you claim to have any authoritative opinion on what I or anyone
> else wants, apart from a fairly universal desire not to be run over
> by a mac truck?
ARGH! Of course not. Thats why I don't keep the definition with me in a
closet but I come out and say it. I say "Hey! Dystopia is society not
feeding us all. Here are the examples. I speak for all, right? We agree this
is bad?"
S replies "No, no, no. These examples show CAPITALISM - which we know is
inherently a Bad Thing (tm) - unable to feed us. This Dystopia means
capitalism's fall which is a Good Thing (tm)."
"Oh", I reply "So Dystia is Capitalism able to feed us but not equally...?"
And so on and so forth. Dystopia when intersected with dialogue is good.
> Clue me in.
I'm the guru
who'll give you a clue
-Omar Haneef
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